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I trust Gary Null 100% on health & science.  At the same time, I don't try to 'enlighten' the world about that or anything else because it's usually a waste of time & energy.
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That's fine, Anonymous Guy, but I'm not sure what the "enlighten" thing referred to.  But I trust refereed science pubs, and I didn't see any.  And as I've contributed to a couple, I know the drill.

When I was a kid, Paul Ehrlich told me there would be famine in the 80s.
Al Gore told me that we'd be in crisis climate-wise by now.  Still waiting.
I've been hearing about the Ross ice shelf, etc.
Oh, and I do remember reading a number of articles in the 70's about how we were headed into the next ice age.

I'm going to return to my back-of-the-envelope calculation.  When "modern comfortable" moves from .7 billion humans to 2.7 billions, there is nothing that can be done to stem the tide, short of plague, asteroids or nuclear war.  It's like being on a train headed for collapsed bridge and bemoaning the fact that humans figured out how to make steel (for the boiler) and mine coal.  Nope, now's the time to talk about asking New Jersey to welcome downtown Manhattan's businesses, and start telling people who live near the water that hey, if they get flooded, don't come looking for help.

Oh, sorry.  We already did that second one.  Biggert-Waters.  What was I thinking? [smile]





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That's fine, Anonymous Guy, but I'm not sure what the "enlighten" thing referred to.  But I trust refereed science pubs, and I didn't see any.  And as I've contributed to a couple, I know the drill.

When I was a kid, Paul Ehrlich told me there would be famine in the 80s.
Al Gore told me that we'd be in crisis climate-wise by now.  Still waiting.
I've been hearing about the Ross ice shelf, etc.
Oh, and I do remember reading a number of articles in the 70's about how we were headed into the next ice age.

I'm going to return to my back-of-the-envelope calculation.  When "modern comfortable" moves from .7 billion humans to 2.7 billions, there is nothing that can be done to stem the tide, short of plague, asteroids or nuclear war.  It's like being on a train headed for collapsed bridge and bemoaning the fact that humans figured out how to make steel (for the boiler) and mine coal.  Nope, now's the time to talk about asking New Jersey to welcome downtown Manhattan's businesses, and start telling people who live near the water that hey, if they get flooded, don't come looking for help.

Oh, sorry.  We already did that second one.  Biggert-Waters.  What was I thinking? [smile]






May as well throw my wrench into this gear box...

Bill Nye explaining that ISIS is a direct product of Climate Change & if you do not embrace Climate Change you should be jailed...

Thankfully Blue Comedian Nick DiPaolo said what I wanted too...


EPISODE 321

TACS 321 with Nick DiPaolo and Bill Nye

February 25, 2016

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Looking at what Mark said here "I'm going to return to my back-of-the-envelope calculation.  When "modern comfortable" moves from .7 billion humans to 2.7 billions, there is nothing that can be done to stem the tide, short of plague, asteroids or nuclear war.  It's like being on a train headed for collapsed bridge and bemoaning the fact that humans figured out how to make steel (for the boiler) and mine coal.  Nope, now's the time to talk about asking New Jersey to welcome downtown Manhattan's businesses, and start telling people who live near the water that hey, if they get flooded, don't come looking for help."

I'm reminding of my life long interest into how my families life on the Hudson River.   Researching that I found out just how much has changed.  To begin with, some of you may know that on the west side of the river rises a very tall palisades of Rock. 

It seems that most of the homes were build on that rock. Also they were build out of it.    Some folks live at the bottom of this rock wall on the river bank itself that that's a tidal area.    Here and there are some older homes in-between the river and the top of the cliffs.
Even when I was younger there were streams cascading down these areas.  It must have been some place 300 years ago.  

Looking at old structures it strikes me that they seldom wasted good farming land on housing.

And having a Boat on the Hudson seemed like a good place to sleep as well.    I do know that three times Great Grand Father (Groot Vader) back then had a "Ferry" on the Hudson river in a very different New York/ Pavonia (Jersey City) area.  How different life must have been.  How much Living space did people need.   How did they heat the house and get food , since wood ran out fast in those days.  How did he build that "ferry" or how did he buy it.  Or did he win it in a card game.  It wouldn't surprise me knowing some of the things people did in those days. 

The point is this. I have spent days in the New York State mountains hiking into woods where I've found remnants of dwellings and it seems people did not have much and survived pretty well.    I recently found my Great Grand Fathers Grave, Born 1834 and died 1905.  Imagine the change on the river since then?  A simple truth is that now there are too many people in one place wanting too much and living in a place where they have to have "Too Much" even by law.  Mark's "comfortable life" comment rings true with me. 







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My last post disappeared.  It should have been #18.  I'm done with this thread.


Was it -

What I meant by "enlighten" was that I don't try to convince the world that climate change exists. Everyone can believe whatever. In 1972, I was sitting in a car with my girl friend. We were Berkeley California & some 'older' guy said to us, "you better leave while you have the chance. California is going to be underwater soon." Me, with my NY attitude asked, "Why are YOU still here?" He acted as if he were stuck to pavement & couldn't leave.

Unless something happened in the last hour, California still isn't an island. However, the lack water problem that they have is getting really bad. Time will tell.



You posted it here -

http://newforum.minasi.com/post/technology-hypochondriac-8099681?pid=1292178173


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Yes, I posted in the wrong thread. I deleted it from there.  Sorry about that.
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May as well throw my wrench into this gear box...

Bill Nye explaining that ISIS is a direct product of Climate Change & if you do not embrace Climate Change you should be jailed...

Thankfully Blue Comedian Nick DiPaolo said what I wanted too...


EPISODE 321

TACS 321 with Nick DiPaolo and Bill Nye

February 25, 2016


Forgive the TL;DR, Tim, but what does "embrace" mean?  Agree with it?  Accept it and mitigate?  Or is Bill still shouting "do everything all at once?"

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Forgive the TL;DR, Tim, but what does "embrace" mean?  Agree with it?  Accept it and mitigate?  Or is Bill still shouting "do everything all at once?"


"do everything all at once..."

And if you don't agree with HIM then you need to be jailed since YOU are more of a threat to the planet than anything else...  Nick just stared at him and told him to go F*** himself and called him a typical over the top leftist liberal douche bag...   [smile]
 

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"do everything all at once..."

And if you don't agree with HIM then you need to be jailed since YOU are more of a threat to the planet than anything else...  Nick just stared at him and told him to go F*** himself and called him a typical over the top leftist liberal douche bag...   [smile]
 


Well, I'd say something more along the lines of "just another guy who doesn't bother to check people's sources" and I can kinda forgive that. [smile]  I just don't feel that I need to respond to his/her call for action. [smile]
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Hey cspanburgh, leave Atlanta and come up to Blairsville in the mountains.  We've had rain to spare and I wish they'd find a new way to share the wealth.  Right now we're camped at Bolding Mill and I see that Lake Lanier doesn't appear to be at full pool, while Lake Nottely is within inches of full pool.  Watch Glenn Burns on channel 2; he reports the Blairsville weather - his parents live here - and you can see how beautiful it is.  Our forests are lush with green;  I live a half mile off the nearest paved road, bordered on 3 sides by National Forest.  Come and visit; there're people who live here and work in the metro area.
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Thanks. I have been up there hiking in the woods.  Reminds me a lot of the Catskills in NY.   Georgia mountains are really great.   Hope they never get over developed.
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