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donoli

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Didn't believe the FBI would go the third party route because they don't win their point.


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Go the third party route and the FBI, in my opinion, loses out in setting a precedent


That's the problem. Winning points & setting precedents don't help us.  Time is of the essence.  The faster that the phone is cracked, the faster that we/they learn how terrorists operate & that's still a maybe. Instead they wanted to play some political game which does nothing for us. The NSA can crack the phone but they don't want it known that they have that ability. The Feds don't have our best interest in mind & never will.
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http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/.premium-1.710066


The mystery 3rd party company is called Cellebrite.  They are in Israel & they are going to help the FBI crack the famous iphone.  Are the Feds telling Apple that their security isn't as good as they say it is & we don't  need you anymore?   
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Interesting Twitter exchange between Edward Snowden and David Simon, the creator of the Wire, about terrorists and burner phones. But they cover a bunch of other topics.

http://qz.com/644926/edward-snowden-and-the-wire-creator-david-simon-had-a-friendly-twitter-debate-about-burner-phones/

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The FBI unlocked the phone without Apple. They didn't say if they found any info. That's it for now.
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DOJ finds successful iPhone crack; drops backdoor bid for now

http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/450280104/DOJ-finds-successful-iPhone-crack-drops-backdoor-bid-for-now


Tim Erlin, director of IT security and risk strategy for Tripwire Inc., based in Portland, Ore., said the FBI essentially sidestepped the encryption issue in this case, but the larger debate will continue.

"At a minimum, the FBI has failed to set a precedent for future cases. If they find they need Apple's assistance in a future case, they'll have to start over," Erlin said. "If the FBI had won the case, they would have set a strong precedent for forcing companies to take similar actions in the future."

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We won't find out what if anything they found.
But they do have the the problem discussed, how do they deal with it next time!

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Looks like there is already a next time, and this time it's not a terrorism case.

FBI agrees to help crack iPhone 6 and iPod tied to Arkansas murder trial, but method unknown

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/03/30/fbi-agrees-to-unlock-iphone-6-and-ipod-tied-to-arkansas-murder-trial?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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15K $ seems a lot to spend on external IT solution to exploit the Apple security.
Maybe 15K $ was the cost of the software + training to exploit what ever vulnerablility there was.
Interesting times....how paranoid do Apple now get about how they were exploited (if they were) and what do they do?
TBH this should never have become public. This should have been private conversations.
But then again Apple seem to be able to do anything include delete files, forget info, beak stuff and the user's keep coming back.

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15K $ seems a lot to spend on external IT solution to exploit the Apple security.


I certainly wouldn't have spent that much. From what I understand, even though they got passed the 10 login attempt problem, they can't read the actual communication until that layer of encryption is cracked. 
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$20.00 says this is all hype and that Apple unlocked that phone for them day 1...
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15K $ seems a lot to spend on external IT solution to exploit the Apple security. Maybe 15K $ was the cost of the software + training to exploit what ever vulnerablility there was. Interesting times....how paranoid do Apple now get about how they were exploited (if they were) and what do they do? TBH this should never have become public. This should have been private conversations. But then again Apple seem to be able to do anything include delete files, forget info, beak stuff and the user's keep coming back.


Yeah, $15K is a lot, specially if they don't find anything on the phone. But it's only taxpayer money anyway, so what does the FBI care, lol.

Apple is already looking at modifying the security on the iOS so that whatever was hacked won't work after the OS update. Of course that may not be until iOS 10.

Also, keep in mind that the FBI was the one that went public first about Apple not wanting to build the backdoor. That's what prompted Apple to do the full page ad in the paper. And also remember that the FBI initially said that the backdoor would only be used on the one phone in the San Bernardino case. And less than a week after having the backdoor, they are already talking about using it on another phone that's not even terrorist related. That's why it should go through the court system to set precedents and guidelines to how and when something like this should be used. But the FBI backed away from the court case. So this will just end up back in the courts again sooner rather than later.


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$20.00 says this is all hype and that Apple unlocked that phone for them day 1...


You can't be too sure if you're only betting $20.00
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You can't be too sure if you're only betting $20.00


I lost $1,500.00 on the 1985 Bears.  I had the Patriots & 30 points...

I learned my lesson...

"On January 26, 1986, in New Orleans, Louisiana, the Chicago Bears score a Super Bowl record number of points to defeat the New England Patriots, 46-10, and win their first championship since 1963."

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1985 & you're still crying the blues?

http://206.217.213.16:8430

That's a 24/7 blues station. It might make you feel better.
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So it looks like the FBI director is saying that the method they used to crack the phone will only work on a small subset of iPhones and can't be used on newer models:

FBI director says unlocking method won't work on newer iPhones

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-fbi-idUSKCN0X4266
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