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Hello,
We are looking to change our backup solution.  Currently we backup to disk every day and tape once a week.  We are using Acronis Backup Advance as our solution.  We are also backing up around 2 TB a day. We are looking for something that can do bare metal restores.  We are open to either a cloud or onsite solution.  What are you using for your backups?  Any suggestions on vendors?

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How long do backups currently take?
How often do you do a test restore? (A backup is the hope of a restore)
What is your retention period?
Do you have an offsite location/ locations?
How often to you restore for end users?


How many Servers?
Physical or Virtual?
VMware/ Hyper-V or other hypervisor solution?
What are your RPO and RTO?
DR - do you have it, do you want it?
BCP - do you have it, do you want it?
What is you outbound and inbound bandwidth?



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I use Acronis True Image 2017 (been using ATI since 2014) to weekly back up three computers both to their cloud and to local external disk drives.  I have two sets of backup disks - keep one in a safe onsite and the other in a bank safe deposit box - and swap them weekly, and I keep three backups on each disk.

ATI and ATI Cloud allow for Bare Metal backup; you create a Universal Restore DVD which then will allow you to restore to any computer; all you need is a CD/DVD with the new computer's drivers, and you're all set.

I had to do a restore to a new computer - a little over 1TB - and it went through flawlessly, and I was back in business in less than an hour.

Right now you can get ATI Cloud for 3 computers for fifty bucks for the first year, after that I think the cloud subscription is $99 a year for 3 computers, OR you can forget the cloud and use the ATI locally forever.

I've been very satisfied with ATI, and one BIG PLUS is that their support is great.  On the few occasions that I've had a problem they've been right there, even to login to my computer, and they then follow up frequently until you tell them that the problem is resolved.  At one point, when I was still using 2016, I had a very strange problem.  After a week it was escalated to the Experts, and then ultimately to the developers.  The result was that they GAVE ME 2017 free of charge, and now the problem is gone.

One caveat, however, that version won't work on servers; the server version of ATI costs something akin to the national debt, so for servers I use Windows Server Backup, which also provides Bare Metal Backups, and have been very happy with it.  I've had to do full restores on a couple of occasions, and they went through without incident.

I highly recommend their new ATI Cloud 2017; It works great, would be cheap at twice the price, and the support is excellent.

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With regard the ATI Solution.
Did the restores come from local USB or from the cloud?
Have you looked/ tested a restore from the cloud?
Can you browse files in the cloud, and recover single files?
How is the decryption handled, stored?
Can you monitor and/ or manage the 3 backups from the cloud?

I've been using a lot of different solutions nice to hear off more and what they do.

I like Veeam solution both the free End Point and the more pricey Backup and Recovery and both solve some to all of my problems either individually or together
The new products in Beta (Orchestrator, Office 365 backup), plus backup to cloud or Azure,
& recovery to Azure will mean that in the near future they are looking like a one stop shop for backup, recovery, DR, BCP and testing for business problems.

We have a backup solution using Veeam and a HPE StoreOnce appliance that the throughput on is just mad. Pure Star Trek speeds.



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Hi Wobble-Wibble.  Here're my answers to your questions.

"Did the restores come from local USB or from the cloud? "

BOTH

"Have you looked/ tested a restore from the cloud?"

YES
 
"Can you browse files in the cloud, and recover single files?"

Yes, but in a sort of round about way.  I haven't experimented with it, but there're several options available for file restoration.

"How is the decryption handled, stored?"

I'm not sure how it's handled, but Acronis says that the data are encrypted.  I'm not sure what you mean by "stored"


"Can you monitor and/ or manage the 3 backups from the cloud?"

If you're referring to my three subscriptions, then YES.  Each subscription is a separate entity, as though it's your the ONLY subscription, and you select, monitor and manage each separately.

AND BTW, these subscriptions EACH allow UNLIMITED cloud space; no maximum.


My wife's business - Pre-employment criminal background screening, which obviously handles and stores VERY SENSITIVE PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE DATA, so good safe backups are of the utmost importance, as is data encryption.  My servers - 1 Domain Controller and 1 Backup Domain Controller - use an electronic filing cabined called "DOCSVAULT" which encrypts the sensitive data in place on the local RAID 1 drives (double redundancy) - which results in double encryption in the cloud, as well as single encryption of everything else.  Consequently, I've found that ATI has provided a very good fit.  As a result of a several computer glitches and one intrusion over the three years that I've been using ATI, I've had the need to do both individual file and full bare-metal system restores, all of which were easy to execute, and went through quite successfully and without incident, which has made me a fan of ATI.  In addition, their support is outstanding, as I indicated above.

My backup strategy uses the cloud for daily backups of my most sensitive files, and for weekly full system backups.  In addition I have two sets of external eSATA drives which I use for weekly local bare metal backups.  These two sets are rotated weekly between a fire resistant safe in my office and a safe deposit box at my bank.

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With all the recent cloud hacks, I don't know how anyone can consider the cloud secure.  If an off site backup is needed, there are other options besides the cloud.
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You could be right about the cloud hacks, but they should be ONLY a part of a good backup strategy.  Local backups to multiple sets of external drives, rotated regularly, resolves the worry about the vulnerability of cloud backup.  The cloud still has a place for daily/biweekly FILE backups.  When you need to replace only one or a handful of files, the cloud is the quickest solution.  If you find that a restored file is also bad, or that you need to restore more than just a few files, then you can resort to the local backups.  Always keep the latest backup set onsite in fireproof/fire resistant storage, then swap sets the day before the next backup.  That way if you need to restore from local backup, you don't have to go running to the bank to retrieve the latest backup.  Today hard disks are so inexpensive that it behooves one to maintain at least two sets, if not three (i.e. Grandfather Level).
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Local backups to multiple sets of external drives, rotated regularly, resolves the worry about the vulnerability of cloud backup. 


I don't see how a local backup resolves that.  If cloud data is vulnerable, it will always be vulnerable no matter what external backups you have.
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Sorry.  What I meant was that you can use that local backup strategy INSTEAD of cloud backups.  That resolves the vulnerability worry.  The multiple HDD sets rotated regularly has been an industry acceptable backup strategy for a long time.  I've been doing that since the late '60s and with mag tapes since 1959.  The only difference is the capacity and size of the disks.  You'd likely laugh your head off if you saw what those earlier removable "Disk Packs" looked like.   Actually, I look at the Cloud backups as frosting on the cake - just an extra layer of backup - and whether or not to use it  is really a personal/business decision.  I would never consider Cloud backup as a full replacement for a good local strategy. 

Also, FWIW, not subscribing to ATI Cloud saves you $99/yr.  The ATI PROGRAM only has to be purchased once, and can be used until you have the need to upgrade to a newer version.  I started with 2014, skipped 2015, went directly to 2016, then, because of some significant new improvements, I went to 2017.  Even if you did upgrade each time Acronis makes an upgrade, it only costs $70 for three computers.

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Sorry.  What I meant was that you can use that local backup strategy INSTEAD of cloud backups.  That resolves the vulnerability worry.


Thanks for clarifying that. "Instead" makes much more sense.
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Thanks all for the replies and info.  Wobble please see below for your questions.

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How long do backups currently take? around 12 hours
How often do you do a test restore? (A backup is the hope of a restore) Quarterly
What is your retention period? 1 month to a year
Do you have an offsite location/ locations? Iron Mountain
How often to you restore for end users? Not that often, we are backing up most PCs as well via Acronis. 


How many Servers? 45-50
Physical or Virtual? VMs- 40 Physical - 10
VMware/ Hyper-V or other hypervisor solution? VMware
What are your RPO and RTO? RTO 24 hours RPO previous days backup
DR - do you have it, do you want it? Yes we have it
BCP - do you have it, do you want it? Do not have it, not sure if we want it.
What is you outbound and inbound bandwidth? 100/25


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There is also the Datto and Replibit options. These backup locally as well as to the cloud and allow you to fire up a VM of the backed up machine in the event it crashes or becomes otherwise unusable. These offsite backups are fully encrypted to the level that the provider has no way of helping you if you lose or forget your passwords for the backups. Just a thought!
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