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My boss is chomping at the bit to move us to Azure for backups. Nothing else at this point, just blob storage. I guess the campus I work at gets a small discount. Haven't looked at all the pricing yet since it's based on amount of storage and retention etc.

Any experts here care to offer insight into Azure backup versus some of the other offerings out there?

Ease of use, interface, speed, backup options etc?

Thanks everyone! Oh, and happy new year!

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Don't have experience with Carbonite.
Backblaze is good, but been a few years since I used it.
Azure Backup (File & Folder, Server System State and VM) (MAB and MARs) is not bad. For the price quite good.
But is MS/ Windows based for File & Folder. Will backup Linux VM in Azure 

But and I've said this for years, A BACKUP IS THE HOPE OF A RECOVERY.
Any of the solutions are only as good as the test restores!

Initial Azure backups are huge and slow. 4TB servers can take 14+ days to backup, without saturating the link.
The background product is DPM and getting better (they, MS, need it to be excellent)

Ease of use - simple as, few clicks and a backup in place.
Restore, similar few clicks and its back.
Keeps the encryption keys and you can restore to another server/ device.
ASR (Azure Site Recovery) will protect VMware/ Hyper-V and Physical servers, but will only fail back to Virtual servers.

My default go to solution is Veeam.
For solutions based on MS if Veeam isn't applicable, and decent broadband, I'll pick Azure backup solution.
Trying to simplify what we support.


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Thanks Joe!

So you're using Veeam (their client piece) in conjunction with a cloud service provider or does Veeam have their own cloud storage product in place?


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Veeam Backup and Replication is the fully function suite.
Does mostly virtual (VMware + Hyper-V)
But has physical agents for Windows and Linux and works well. Used Veeam End Point Protection as the agent.
The End Point Protection or the free one works really well for one off machines.

Veeam B&R will backup to a lot of endpoints, including a Veeam Server build in Azure or a Veeam Cloud Partner.
Veeam Cloud Partners have Veeam that you can send backups to (encrypted/ air gapped) And the potential of an offsite DR solution.

Veeam B&R ain't free, purchased on protected sockets on the host or subscription per VM's protected.



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Something tells me that your boss has ulterior motives.
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Something tells me that your boss has ulterior motives.


Well, our campus is so segmented (political), it was like pulling teeth to get in and let us try it.

I think he just wants us to test it out and see how it goes. He's open to other solutions as well.


...........As for my Azure backup testing. I got the client piece installed on my file server. It took about 9 hours to upload 120-ish gigs of data. Looks like the client makes a VHD of the storage and them uploads all of that? It seemingly took longer to make that VHD than it did to upload.

I am going to perform some restores today and see how it goes.

So in regards to Veeam...Can I use the Veeam software with our Azure backup blobs of storage? Or do I need to buy it all from Veeam?

Our medical records database is 800 gigs so I am not enjoying the possibility of sending all that data up once a week. And from what the Azure people on campus tells us, there is no native SQL backup client per se.

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So in regards to Veeam...Can I use the Veeam software with our Azure backup blobs of storage? Or do I need to buy it all from Veeam?


I knew a woman who was the database manager for a major hospital. When they were considering database software, they had the company send a representative to demonstrate the software & answer similar questions. If they want you to use Azure, Veeam or whatever, force them to send a rep. Don't let them put it all on you.
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Good call on that Donato!

Well, the Azure backup service has run fine thus far. I am not really doing to much with it besides using it as a cloud backup space. I do have some nit-pics but that is not a deal breaker.

I think I am going to test the Cloudberry Labs backup software which looks to fit a nice niche in the small to midsize backup market I think my needs fit in. It claims to allow for disk to cloud backups utilizing Azure so we'll see.


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Ok, go for it.
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Okay...so now I am confused.....[mad]

My university that manages the Azure stuff gave me a "Backup Vault" under Resource groups.

The process told to me is to create Vault Credentials, install the MARS agent on the machines I want backed up, and set me retention...bing bang boom.

So in working with this company Cloudberry, that has a service that leverages Azure, they say I need to go into Azure and create a Storage Account?

From what I am reading, Storage Accounts are just blobs of storage where I can deposit things.

So why does MS make that demarcation between backups and storage?

I guess the Azure backup feature needs dedicated areas to store their stuff?

Just frustrating really. I guess I can't use any third party product then. Wonder if that includes MS's own Azure Backup Server v3?

Ugh, so ready for the weekend.

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So why does MS make that demarcation between backups and storage?

Could it be the file type that makes a difference? Is the backup a compressed file? What is the file extension?
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Sorry stressed out with work/ bad projects and college.

Azure backup - file & folder, VM in Azure, ASR all has "backup storage" this is some hidden magic voodoo storage that the GUI to DPM exposes to us.
DPM is the backend backup product.
You can't browse it like blobs in a storage account, can't open it with Azure Storage explorer, so we just have to trust MS and their comments that live VM storage and backup storage is on different stamps (their terminology for a big amount of storage)
The whole thing is called "Backup and Site Recovery (OMS)"

But experience and comments from support engineers indicates that possibly they are the one and same set of racks/ jbods whatever. (you now get to geo locate backup storage.....why? surely they have a 3-2-1 policy [hahahahaha])
But we can't backup a VM to a different location.
But we can backup file and folder to a different location.

So my moral
If ASR - doesn't matter, your main production machines should be in another location/ data centre.
If VM in Azure - you have to backup to the same region.
But for file and folder of a VM in Azure - put that Backup and Site Recovery (OMS) in another region - the traffic is over the internet anyway.


Your questions...
Cloudberry - stores into a Storage Account Blob - not a backup vault (I'm almost 85% sure that's correct)
MARs and MABs backs up into a Backup and Site Recovery (OMS) account

Not sure what the Azure Backup Server is.
You talking about ASR - Azure Site Recovery and the replication server?


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