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Well, no matter how much we loved our hardware, Azure is a reality.  And in this Article Aidan gives us all a piece of news to help us make a living.
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I agree, Azure is a fact and lots of conpanies are taking the jump.

But the largest companies (google/azure/amazon) that want it to happen and they also have the largest marketing budgets. So also the largest influences (should i say brainwash?) on us ict pro's. I don't care if it's true or not, i think there is enough work to be done for us, cloud or not. But most of our business is done in the private cloud (the other word for how it has been done the last 20 years begire the word cloud) instead of public cloud. And that scenario does not have so much of a marketing budget so it tends to be small among all the marketing buzz.

My personla opinion is that there will be lots of private clouds, maybe even industry clouds like for helathcare/government but i think its too early to go all public. I think the law has to get uptodate to go public cloud and until they do lots of our clients (that have lots of patient/confidential data) will choose for private. Mark has done an excellent audio cd series on clouds, we it pros know most of it, but i tend to lend it to others who need the knowledge. As he's retired, maybe turn it into a newsl.. ehh, twitter content? @mark?

I didn't mean to hijack this threat, but it's a good excuse. If it's the wrong place, tell me and i willl move it to another thread.

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For what its worth, I do not have any Lab servers on in the cloud.    I am waiting for Microsoft to give us more than what the MSDN sub, offers.  It's not enough to really explore the features and get used to it all.  

And for sure its not enough to do demos to potential clients.    I had to laugh how one MVP said he did a demo with AWS and it was free.  A good deal of time and cloud resources were allowed to him by AWS for him to Demo options to a client.

So that is perhaps a challenge to the Azure team.   For now I have my Active VMs running on my servers in my office.
Just like James does.    Do I plan on doing more.  Sure.
MSFT has given the business solution MVPs a decent cloud environment.  It's working out great.
If they do the same thing for MVPS, Gold Partners and Potential qualified clients it would be a great Idea.

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I agree, Azure is a fact and lots of conpanies are taking the jump. But the largest companies (google/azure/amazon) that want it to happen and they also have the largest marketing budgets. So also the largest influences (should i say brainwash?) on us ict pro's. I don't care if it's true or not, i think there is enough work to be done for us, cloud or not.



Anyone ever done decent analysis of 0365 or Azure or AWS cost against on premise cost?

I've tried it a few times, decent Excel worksheet with the costs etc for both, on prem and cloud. As well as project costs/ professional fees, hardware + software upgrades to satisfy O365 requirements.

Seems the marketing sweet spot is everyone....but I don't think so.

By the way has anyone gotten the backup reporting working first time for all tenancies/ subscriptions? 

I have 5 tickets about the reporting not working for various reasons & I have to praise the documentation on the process.....its like trying to pull hens teeth.


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Well, the more things change the more they don't.   I just could not bring myself to say the older expression.   
Support to cloud apps is not really up to what it needs to be.

For instance,  a fellow tech for Business Solutions had to do a database restore to an online instance over the weekend.   The restore crashed.  And thus the business application would not come up. 

They call support.......................... and they are closed for the weekend.

Paid support is open on the weekends.   So, they go to buy that support.   The department for that is closed on the weekend. 

When is the best time to restore a database?   On the weekend.

Now the data center fail over has me a bit confused when hearing this account, because if the data centers have a failover copy, why can't they just failover the client to the other data center?   But I guess for a small client they can't do that.

Now for you cloudnostics out there , please do not react in the manner expected.   We have had issues with support for years.   But it does seem that there is a need to remember that Tech issues are best handled on weekends when Business users are not using the software.



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There's no great wisdom in what I've said and say about clouds. 

Once, we bought our own processors, storage and networking, and kept the networks inside our buildings.  Easy to secure.

Then we started connecting our in-house networks to a planet-wide network populated by millions of criminals.  Harder to secure and exposes us to Petya.  But man, is it cheap, and MAN, does it give us access to lots of smart people and repositories of great information.  Almost certainly a good trade-off.

Part of that meant moving our *storage* to other people's systems.  Not cloud yet, but certainly a mite foggy.  Saves money... but do we trust the people we're oursourcing our precious data to?  Well, with products like Storage Spaces Direct and Lun Replication, maybe not the best tradeoff.  Certainly not as clear a win as joining CriminalNet.

Then we take it a step further.  Outsource our processing, storage and networking to other people.  Win:  man, is this cheap!  Downside:  they'll never care about your data as much as you do.  And yes, a cloud salesperson would say, "... and we can do a better job of securing your stuff than you can," which may or may not be true and if it IS true, why not sell security consulting?

 

On the one hand, cloud-ing means you have to trust people who don't know you or care about you with your data.  On the other hand, it's so freakin' cheap that if you don't do it, the boss will find someone else who WILL do it so he can get a bigger bonus.

So if Aidan's point is, "hell, you might as well be the guy that gets paid to cloud their client's stuff," then yes, it's a career pathway.

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I'd be curious to know who the company was - that let them down so bad.

I like to moan about Azure and Amazon and Google Cloud and ISP's and...and...and.

And I had a lot of gripes with Azure support. O365 was excellent but Azure was slow and mediocre, almost as if Azure was the red haired child sitting in the corner.

Its now "for the bad stuff" very good - P1 tickets getting a call from a decent engineer within 30 minutes is usual at any time.
The preview stuff - nope, but the core IaaS/ PaaS all has a level of confidence that has grown with its age or MS moving its internal support focus.

Now maybe its experience with the solutions and less assistance needed, but the speed has definitely improved.

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So if Aidan's point is, "hell, you might as well be the guy that gets paid to cloud their client's stuff," then yes, it's a career pathway.


Sure as we get older/ wiser/ crankier/ more business focused we see less of the hardware anyway!
But the cloud has been paying my bills for the last 7 years - thanks cloud!

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