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DennisMCSE

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Tim, are you really sure that he'll do nothing for the 4 years? The Republicans have the Presidency, the Senate and the House. What's stopping him from doing whatever he wants?

The good thing is that his speech that he gave after winning was actually the most presidential sounding thing he's said since the election started two years ago. So maybe now that he's won, he's clued in that he actually has a country to lead. Maybe he'll make the right choices for the country and "Make America Great Again". Of course that was only one speech.
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No no,,,  That's all I could afford.  Mark was betting $1000.00 


Wow, he must be rich!
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Tim, are you really sure that he'll do nothing for the 4 years? The Republicans have the Presidency, the Senate and the House. What's stopping him from doing whatever he wants? The good thing is that his speech that he gave after winning was actually the most presidential sounding thing he's said since the election started two years ago. So maybe now that he's won, he's clued in that he actually has a country to lead. Maybe he'll make the right choices for the country and "Make America Great Again". Of course that was only one speech.


I honestly don't know Dennis.  Hopefully he surrounds himself with some brilliant people and is actually able to turn some things around, like the healthcare debacle...

I am as surprised as most at the outcome.

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Ok what is with all the demo's.
Is this some of the cities complaining about the rest of the country votes?

Of course I have to ask about his kids on the transition.
Are they capable business leaders?
Surely they are biased irrespective of what is said. They don't have 20 years of negotiations behind them to mask their true emotions and end desires.


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Is this some of the cities complaining about the rest of the country votes?


That's part of it.  Another problem is what's called the "electoral college" which is a system of voting that doesn't allow the popular vote to always elect the president.  The popular vote only gives a certain number of "electoral votes" to each state.  The candidate who reaches 270 electoral votes is the winner.  In the 2016 & a few other elections, the candidate who won by popular votes still lost.  That system was started to protect slave owners, in the south. It gave them more say than they would normally have since the population in the southern states was far less than the north.  It was never changed. 

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I would say that they are capable.  The good thing about Trump is that he his resourceful. If he doesn't have an answer to a question, he knows people who have the answer.  I'm sure his children have similar connections.

In the 70's, there was a problem with a skating rink, in Central Park.  The mayor, Ed Koch was having trouble repairing it.  The problem went on for years.  Trump made a deal with Koch that he would fix the rink if Koch would allow him to build something.  Trump called a friend of his in Canada who told him the solution.  Instead of using a Freon gas system, use an absorption system.  The Freon system has small lines like your refrigerator.  When the concrete was poured, it would break the lines & the Freon would escape.  An absorption unit uses bigger pipes. One loop has plain water & the other has Lithium Bromide.  It worked on the first try.  Koch looked like a jerk although some years later he was asked how he was able to make good on 50% of his campaign promises which no politician ever does.  If you only did 50% of your job, how long would you be there?
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That's part of it.  Another problem is what's called the "electoral college" which is a system of voting that doesn't allow the popular vote to always elect the president. 


The issue that lead to the electoral college still exists.  how do you prevent very large population centers that lean one way from dominating the entire rest of the country that may lean another?  Or simply from being selfish with resources because they have more numbers?

put in modern terms...how do you keep San Fransisco, LA, Seattle, New York, Chicago and a few other very large, population dense cities from controlling the entire country?   what a city like LA wants/needs vs what a rural farming area needs/wants do not always line up.  how do you divided resources?  when do the needs of LA take precedence over needs to a small rural town?  when does the small rural town take precedence over LA?  how do you ensure voices and concerns are heard even though you are in the minority?

one of the central and great struggles of our country has always been how do you balance the needs/wants of the many vs the few...the needs/wants of the few vs the many. 

I didn't vote for Trump, didn't want him as president.  But he won the majority of the districts (meaning he won the popular vote in those districts) needed to be won in order to become president.  the over all total of "one man, one vote" is fairly irrelevant under our system.  Good or bad, those are the rules we all agreed to and have chosen to not modify so far. 


The electoral college is just one possible way to address the issues that lead to it's creation.  I am not opposed to discussing an alternative...but don't fall for the "it was just for slave owners" line... it's an oversimplification and glossing over of the the underlying issue that still exists.  And has the nice little insinuation...you support the Electoral College...you must support slavery or some other negative connotation. All other things equal, but instead of slaves the south had gold or some thing else that the north had wanted to mess with...they still would have had the same demands for a means to balance out small states vs larger states.  Also, never forget that the states were much more like countries than they are now.  They were giving up quite a bit to join this new thing called the United States.  it only makes sense they would want to ensure that their voice was not drowned out by the north.

Any replacement still needs to address the concerns that lead to the electoral college.  a one man one vote sytem could be viewed as 6 wolves and 1 sheep voting what is for dinner.  Our system, while not perfect, gives the sheep a fighting chance to contest the vote and live.

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Thanks for the answers folks.

From what I've read/ local pundits proposed, had the Democrats put up an iguana it would have won. Is this true?


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Matthew, I don't see what the electoral college has to do with the division of resources.  It's strictly for the presidential election.  Was there a reason that all the cities that you mentioned except maybe LA were above the Mason Dixon line?

Wobble, had the Democrats not lied about the fake economic recovery based on the stock market & bunch of $8.00 per hour jobs being created, they might have had a better chance.  Only labor creates value.  The stock market doesn't create value, it only shifts it.  If no one worked today, no value would be created.  People fail to understand that.  
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Matthew, I don't see what the electoral college has to do with the division of resources.


Really?  so you don't see how who wins the white house can influence who gets what resources (such as taxes) to address needs/wants/concerns/priorities for their geographic area? 
Just one example of why state such as Main would want to have some way of having a voice that could be as loud as the noise coming from California. 

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Was there a reason that all the cities that you mentioned except maybe LA were above the Mason Dixon line?

Why would there be?

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Once someone is elected president, the entire country is their geographic area.  The possible reason that you only mentioned cities above the Mason Dixon line could be that you are a southerner.  Just a guess.
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So. Is the train falling off the tracks a little? Or maybe a lot?

Seems everyone, that our media deem important, has issues with the president.

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Lol ya the wheels are coming off the clown car.  It's honestly pretty pathetic that anyone thought this nutjob would be able to (or want to) do anything other than line his own pockets.  And all the hypocrites who whined about Obama hitting a golf ball now and again don't seem to be saying much about the fact that Trump and co. have so far outspent Obama by a FACTOR OF TEN.  Not to mention all the small businesses he's crushing with the weekly trips down to Mar a Lago.  The airport there and all the businesses that depend on it are losing tens of thousands.  Not that he cares, he built his fortune off of screwing over small businesses with bigshot lawyers (not to mention a piddling $1million loan from daddy). The hypocrisy is astounding.
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The hypocrisy is astounding.


The people were fooled again by yet another liar who promised change & will never deliver.  Yet the majority still feels it necessary to debate the differences between Republicans & Republicrats when they are both the same.  We need a special capitalist to investigate the rest of the capitalists.
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Bahahaha Trump trying to blame the democrats. Hilarious. Huge majority in the house and he couldn't pass this piece of trash due to 36 defectors in his own party who knew it was utter rubbish.
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