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cj_berlin

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But what's the idiots guide to how bad hilary is?

+1 on hearing about it from our U.S. members.

From where I am, it just looks like Hillary can't be bad enough to have anyone with half a brain choose Trump as the lesser evil. On the other hand, as far as making educatied decisions is concerned, I have more respect for you guys than for the newspeople over here (or in any country, for that matter). So there. Do enlighten us.

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The worst thing about Hillary is never mentioned, in the media.  If Hillary loses & Trump wins, the gravy train stops.  As I mentioned in a previous post, private profit is earned at the public's expense.  Trump will stop the gravy train. Here's one of the ways that it works.  No matter which party held office, in the past, taxpayer money would be given to various governments or anti government groups, in the name of democracy but it really was in the name of capitalism.  The recipients of the money didn't give it to the citizens, they would buy arms from the American Government. Stock holders would then get the money back.  They talk about the candidates showing their tax returns but it's their stock holdings that I want to see. 

Trump wants to stop a lot of the money that's supposedly being spent to protect allies. He wants them to pay for their own protection.  There goes the gravy train.  All those countries are nervous.  They ask the consulates, what's going to happen, if Trump wins? The consulates don't have an answer. They call the White House.  They ask what should we tell them?  No one has an answer.  I have an answer.  It's time to end America's Rotating Sh1t List.  Since the 50s, I've been told who to hate.  Some of the countries reappear on the list 2 or 3 times. Russia is one of them. Trump asked why can't we get along with Russia?  The answer is, certain people in America will lose money.

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Time to bring back my old boss Ross Perot and the Reform party! [smile]

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The worst thing about Hillary is never mentioned, in the media.  If Hillary loses & Trump wins, the gravy train stops.  As I mentioned in a previous post, private profit is earned at the public's expense.  Trump will stop the gravy train. Here's one of the ways that it works.  No matter which party held office, in the past, taxpayer money would be given to various governments or anti government groups, in the name of democracy but it really was in the name of capitalism.  The recipients of the money didn't give it to the citizens, they would buy arms from the American Government. Stock holders would then get the money back.  They talk about the candidates showing their tax returns but it's their stock holdings that I want to see. 



Sorry but I'm failing to understand that Trump will stop a gravy train. He is a major capitalist after all, billionaire they call him. I don't think there are too many Billionaire politicians.
The only one that comes to my mind is Dick Cheney, but his net worth is circa €40 million.
Also that brings up a big problem as Cheney worked/ works and supports the same party as Trump does he not. Also, did the the Bush governments not ride head first into that same gravy train your talking about, guns and toys for the boys.



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You were 100% correct when you said that Trump is a capitalist.  Even Bernie Sanders isn't a true socialist. At best, he is a corporate leftist.  If I take Trump at his word, he will stop the overseas gravy train. Can I take Trump at his word?  I don't know for sure but as he has been telling the curly headed community, what do you have to lose by voting Trump?

Granted, that's how Barrack Obama was elected but he turned out to be George W. Obama.  Nothing changed. He wasted time, money & lives fighting in the mid east not to mention Obama Care.  Nothing will change if George W Hillary wins either.  She is a capitalist too.
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Is not the whole presidential system predicated an needing A LOT OF MONEY to get voted in and keep going, before the people even vote.

Does that not mean that George W Trump have to pay the same expensive gravy train drivers?

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Is not the whole presidential system predicated an needing A LOT OF MONEY to get voted in and keep going, before the people even vote.


Yes, a lot of money is needed to get elected but Trump has been spending his own money not taking donations 

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Does that not mean that George W Trump have to pay the same expensive gravy train drivers?


No. That gravy train will stop, if he sticks to his word.  That's why the top politicians & foreign leaders are so nervous.
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Speaking of money, apparently Wall Street has already decided who is going to win:

The stock market has already picked the next U.S. president
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-market-has-already-picked-the-next-us-president-2016-08-29?siteid=nwham

“The market appears to have decided not only that [Hillary] Clinton will win, but that it won’t be close,” David Woo, a strategist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, said in a report distributed Monday. “Investors like landslide victories.”

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There is no doubt that Wall St wants Hillary. That isn't a surprise.
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THEY ARE ALL BAD. That's the problem. People ask why the "Trumpeters" are so angry. I was happy to see the millennials galvanize behind Bernie. What's even more hilarious is when those teens and twenty-something folks get into their thirties, get jobs, and see how much they pay in taxes and how completely screwed by the .gov their lives really are. Schools are shite. Rights are being eroded. Cost of living is going higher and higher. Arghghghghg!

Like this new epipen furor. The chide a company for making a profit...okay, I get it. But that CEO's daddy is Sen. Joe Manchin and he is proposing a bill that all airlines have TWO of those epi-pens on every flight. It's all backscratching, and backstabbing, and peoples blame is in ALL the wrong places.

Besides storming the gates and burning this place down, I am not sure what can be done. We are soooooooo far gone with national debt, the widening rich, middle and poor classes, less and less manufacturing...etc etc, I am not sure we can be saved at this point.

Like we say on the gun forums about ammo...stack it high and deep. Might be trouble a-brewing.
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Yes, they are all bad. None of them can fix the economy, including Bernie. I don't fly so I'm not familiar with the Epipen thing.
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Hillary will be the next President. The entire system, both sides, are against Trump, so he doesn't have a chance in HE11!
Either way, our country will pay a steep price...maybe even total collapse.

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Your guess is as good as any. One thing is for sure, capitalism won't last forever.
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OK, anyone want to try to educate me anyway and possibly the rest Europeans in a calm voice on

a. The difference between the two parties
b. The reasons why the US is so polorourised by both parties and candidates?
c. Why you spend so long voting/ campaigning for a person and then don't let them do any work
d. Why Obamacare is so bad.



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Great questions.  Here are some answers.

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a. The difference between the two parties


First let me tell you why they are the same.  They are the same because both parties are capitalists & capitalism requires an interventionist foreign policy to grow.  There is no standing still.  Either it grows or it crashes.

They are only different on the domestic side.  The Democrats are willing to leave a few more crumbs on the table, for the rest of us.

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b. The reasons why the US is so polorourised by both parties and candidates?


That's because they don't see why there is not much of a difference as I just explained. They also think that voting actually changes things. If voting actually changed anything, it would be illegal. Boycotts are far more effective.

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c. Why you spend so long voting/ campaigning for a person and then don't let them do any work


The voting is really only 1 day.  The campaigns seem to go on forever. The president or any person who creates a bill (new law) has to get it passed in the House & Senate.  That's where the work stoppage may occur.  At the same time, how many more laws do we need?  I think that we have enough already.  Some of them need to be repealed.

The deadline for paying taxes or at least filing a tax return is April 15th.  Election day is November 5th.  I would like to see election day moved to April 16th. 

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d. Why Obamacare is so bad.


Obamacare was supposed to give health insurance to the people who couldn't afford it. The national poverty level is $24,150. However, its $16,000 for Obamacare.  So, if one earns over $16,000 per year, the government says that you can afford health insurance & must pay for it if you are not covered by your employer.  That's if you have a job. If you don't pay for it, you will be fined $695 on your tax return. 

Not only that, it has raised costs for insurance companies as well.  In the last 2 weeks, 2 or 3 insurance companies have stopped offering health insurance.



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