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jwillis84

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Premise or not to Premise the 20,000 object limit seems to steer OneDrive in the direction of a "select" personal favorites or current project documents rather than a wholesale Bulk Backup.

OwnCloud was one of the first "cloud" storage models to adopt a "leave it on the premise - we'll build links to your server content" model.. keeping your existing enterprise, backup, legal hold and antimalware, data leakage protection models "in place" rather than "trust it to the cloud".

Syncplicity also filed statements to the effect that "moble client access to existing premise repositories" was critical to their future.

And even Dropbox and Boxnet have made statements that "the premise is not dead jim".

Other than the differentiation of the "pure offsite backup" model that someone like Crashplan seems to offer.. the big news of 2016 maybe the "retreat from the cloud".

Its also only my opinion.

But the removal of "virtual presence links" from Windows 8, and Windows Home Server "spaces" makes me think the whole "Internet Link as A Service" (ILaaS ?) is just getting started.

We've already seen the Dropbox "flash paper" temporary shared links, the Google Docs online collaborative shared links.. and the ill fated "delegated daisy chained rights links"

I rather liked the experiments with "Shadow protect" and "Online trashcans" but how much "Karma" can an online provider really afford to offer.. and how long until users get "link burnout" and just start "emailing files" again?

All I have to say is beware the Eye of Sauron.. and the reach of Shodan.io
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I THOUGHT I heard that the 20k limit is going away, at least on Onedrive for Business.
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I hope so Mark. We're counting on it.

In the meantime, we have ownCloud holding down the fort and pushing the limits every day.

I also thought I heard someone say, OneDrive for Business was "switching" from the Ray Ozzie Groove/Sharepoint backend to the same backend as the Consumer OneDrive.. which is more a database backend rendevouz system similar to DropBox and Boxnet, ownCloud and everyone else.

The client is essentially already written and could use the same resources, its mostly just a rebranding issue.

As for the placeholder links.. I can't be certain but some things Paul Thurrott said before Xmas had me thinking they were going to be replaced with "Alternate data streams" basically "surfacing" the existing file system feature that has been there since NT days but not exploited very much... it really didn't sound like they were going to develop a whole new feature.. but wanted to "get rid" of the "placeholders" model before it got so entrench people would never convert over.

One way "I think" would be to use those funky colored icons they could assign to different data streams that appear in a file listing waaay back in the olden days. The problem then.. like today.. is some software would take for granted "they actually" were files and fail horribly rather than gracefully when they couldn't open a file.

I would "guess" a system call could catch those and perhaps [pause] the program and inform you of the problem, then fail the access with a generic permissions thing. Doesn't sound too hard.. but would be very deep in the operating system. hmm.. maybe they could reset the default permissions on placeholders and actually cause a permission fault and just explain it away as .. those icons mean cloud access required.. and not write any code changes.
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the big news of 2016 maybe the "retreat from the cloud"

Based on the inquiry we're receiving at Gartner, I'd observe the opposite.

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we have ownCloud holding down the fort and pushing the limits every day

How do you perceive its durability? I have an ownCloud instance running on a Debian server at home. It has two users. And while haven't broken the thing yet, it just feels all so fragile. I guess that's to be expected out of any massive pile of PHP (*shudder*). Doesn't strike me as enterprise-grade at all.
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We did a lot of upfront research pretty deep into the code and chose the support pieces carefully.

We use Nginx and Percona rather than Apache and MySQL/Maria and we back ended the database with a drbd linbit fault tolerant netblock file system.

Then we clustered the database and nginx servers so they were fault tolerant as well.

And front ended all that with a kemp load balancer.

Best we could assess this was basically what DropBox was doing.. well maybe a little less on their (AWS?) cloud servers.

ownCloud is often thought of as primarily a file server, but we treated it as a client access server which layered on top our existing file servers.

Its been remarkably stable and consistent over about three years... knock on wood.

We really did not want to manage or recreate the access permissions in the cloud, or re-train all our legacy users with something "not quite" like premise.. and Above all else.. we didn't want to have to migrate Terrabytes of storage to the cloud.. to tell them what they could or could not take with them.

Breaking things to make them "better" was not a collateral damage sort of things we could do.. it would have fragmented our 5000+ userbase.. it just wasn't gonna happen.

We actively explore and trial many enterprise options.. and frankly not a lot of opensource passes muster.. we absolutely needed professional support and active security checks and control of our recovery options.

But strip out all the collaboration and "apps" as a service of the cloud server.. distill it to its bare bones as a "re-server" and ownCloud works pretty well. Mind you.. we do not run the Community Freebie lasse faire devil make care edition.. we are paying customers of the ownCloud corporate edition. We did a lot of setup in the beginning but always had them as a consultant on tap when we needed to make major decisions.

I will also say our biggest problems have been with users sharing access rights with people who like to "clean up" then we have to "recover" using something like "Shadow protect" and sort of teach them.. "you know that thing you did.. really wasn't a good thing.." but since the recovery is with tried and true backend tools.. its great training ground for the day when "perhaps" we actually lift-off and never return to the premise.

.. would that the world was as seen through "Gartner colored glasses.." sigh

The killer apps however have been the iOS and Android clients, we took them inhouse and tweaked them to customize them for our use, signed them and made them available to the user population. As proxies for featureless "vpn clients" they work pretty well.. people don't mind learning an app that gets them what they need with the same credentials they already know quickly.. they don't have to setup a vpn client then use a second app to maybe find what they need. The ownCloud document indexing also helps finding things with a few keystrokes as opposed to browsing thousands and thousands of strokes through a linear file listing.

When you get down to it.. ownCloud is basically a database with caching clients and a direct tie into the premise authentication system over https.. and with two factor if you enable CAS or Shibboleth.

Too often people look at it like an FTP or WebDav server.. if they do that.. kinda misses the point.. like missing the broadside of a barn.

We could setup Windows Server on Azure and truck all the data store over with hardware express, or on AWS.. but we're not ready for that yet.. that is sort of what Microsoft is backing away from.. they are headed more towards the indexing as a service model.. where your data actually "is" could be geopolitically determined or completely up to you.
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Owncloud looks great (except I can't get the windows drive share thing to work and their response has thus far been underwhelming).  Do you know if you can get the two factor to connect with systems like OKTA and DUO?
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Owncloud is in the doghouse - horrible response times considering the tens of thousands they'd want for a license.

Set up a trial of Acronis Access Advanced and it seems to be working very well so far - plus has the Sync&Share functionality on top of mobile access...
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